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eogbaker
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:11 pm 
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Right i went through Steves thread he had as it sounds like the exact same problem he had but i have checked all the connectors to the throttle body which is what was causing his problem.

I have here a video of starting it earlier and if you listen carefully you can here it misfiring and then backfire and then rev perfectly untill i lift off the throttle and then start misfiring again.

Now i did start the car breifly before i took the video so it did start up a fare bit quicker than when completely cold.

I will upload another video tomorrow of exactly what it is like when cold in the morning trying to start it.

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PS. I have new spark plugs in it. battery is fine, and alternator is fine. I have cleaned the contacts in the distributor and checked HT leads already.


PLEASE PLEASE HELP ITS BEEN ANNOYING ME FOR FAR TOO LONG

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Stuz
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:00 pm 
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Nice picture. . .

You need to visit me. .

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eogbaker
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I cant anytime soon due to previous comitments and cash being low at the moment Stuz

also it aint a pic its a video

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Ahhhh, it's ok, when you have the time, Pop over and see me :)

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Lethagized
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:08 pm 
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I would say ignition leads and/or dizzy cap.


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eogbaker
 Post subject: Re: hard starting
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:32 pm 
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Lethagized wrote:
I would say ignition leads and/or dizzy cap.


already checked them.

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steven
 Post subject: Re: hard starting
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:40 am 
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Did you try changing the HT leads? See if you can borrow a set off a members car to swap over and test.

My misfire and backfiring was when the throttle was pressed, the higher the revs the worse the backfire and when i let go of it it sort of puttered for a while. With the video i can tell its a similar problem.

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eogbaker
 Post subject: Re: hard starting
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I havent changed HT leads as I got no one around with a v6 to change with but i will be getting a multi meter to check their resistances. but here is the video of starting yesterday


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steven
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Sounds very rough ego mate. My only other idea would be o2/lambda sensors. There are two on the V6.

http://www.picoauto.com/applications/lambda-sensor.html

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eogbaker
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well this morning i am going to attempt reseting the ecu. if that doesnt work i am going to put my old throttle body on and if that doesnt work i will look at getting lambda sensor

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DMS
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:39 pm 
Not that I know a great deal Ayrton but id hazzard a guess its the leads :dontknow:


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well i just went and reset the ecu and it started up a bit faster but still had the miss but only when you reved it so i pulled the leads off one at a time noticed it was cylinders 2 and 3 so i took the Distributor cover off and they were coked up again after i cleaned them a month ago so i cleaned them and bent them inwards so they are closer to the rotator arm and it started up and sounded better but i need to wait till it is ice cold again to see if it really has helped or not.. might be an idea to look at getting a new distributor cap i think unless someone says otherwise

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steven
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Even just try taking the dizzy cap off and use a flat screwdriver (gently) to clean the 4 brass coloured points and clean the rotor arm too. I did this to mine and it did help a bit. The dizzy itself will most likely be clean but there i found a powdery residue on the arm and points.

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I did do that to all 6 and then when i checked again there was 2 coked up again and they were on the problem spark plugs that were misfiring.

I have just just bit the bullet and placed a HUGE 3 figure order with mark at FPS as i cant leave my car like this with my parents they will end up making it worse lol

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steven wrote:
se a flat screwdriver (gently) to clean the 4 brass coloured points

6 Brass coloured points. lol

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When did you last replace the cap? It's recommended that you change the leads, cap, rotor arm and plugs all at the same time.


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I havent replaced any of it before. All the things mentioned were on the car when i got it over a year and a half ago but I got all new stuff on its way..

Changing my colour coding in my engine bay from red to blue as well

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I stand corrected Mr Mobiius, i keep forgetting that it is a V6! ;)

I agree with Lethagized, it certainly wouldnt do any harm replacing all. I have a 1.5 and i have done everything but the cap, however if i had a type r, money would be no object.

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steven wrote:
however if i had a type r, money would be no object.


I'd love to feel the same and if I had the money, and a TypeR, it would be no object, but sometimes the cash just isn't there :( I say sometimes not there... it's never there it seems :D

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Sloth wrote:
steven wrote:
however if i had a type r, money would be no object.


I'd love to feel the same and if I had the money, and a TypeR, it would be no object, but sometimes the cash just isn't there :( I say sometimes not there... it's never there it seems :D


I honestly do wish money was no object but you got to remember that i am still on cadet pay. when i qualify at the end of next year and will be on +£26000 per year as well as it being tax free and only have to work 6 months out of the year then it will be going off the road for a proper strip down and rebuild but now i struggle through every month so it gets what it can when i can afford it.

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If you can, do a diagnostics check before you reset, this should eliminate any faulty sensors etc and reduce the amount of possibilities for you :thumbright:

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I did get the car connected to a computer last week and everything was fine with no faulty sensors which i find strange as my fans still start up as soon as the engine has started which still makes me think that the ecu temp sensor is faulty but i replaced it as well ?!?

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I have also just thought that it might be the inlet manifold gaskets as they were in a shabby state when i last had the inlet off so ordered some new ones of them as well

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eogbaker wrote:
I have also just thought that it might be the inlet manifold gaskets as they were in a shabby state when i last had the inlet off so ordered some new ones of them as well


That would explain alot, I personally change any gaskets when I remove a part.

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I know but i thought i could get away with it but obviously i didnt.. hope it is just that but still going to fit all my other goodies :D

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Fit everything one at a time, and see how it is, the only reason I say this is so you can identify the problem and keep the other parts as spares :thumbup:

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not sure if i am going to have the time to do all this so might get my dads local garage to fit everything when i am at sea but we shall see

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