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Ladies and Gents, i've been trying to diagnose a chirping noise coming from the gearbox area of my car for a while now, and in my search, i've come across this, I hope it helps someone :D

Troubleshooting those weird noises coming from your car can help you determine needed repairs. It's important that you listen to what your car is trying to tell you.

Although many people still use the old broomstick-held-to-the-ear method of zeroing in on noises, the best method these days is a stethoscope. Indispensable in finding the source of a sound, it's also a lot easier to place it where you want it than the clunky end of a broomstick.

Here are a few general guidelines to what your car's noises might mean:

BANG: A sharp, startling sound, like a rifle shot, means you're dealing with the dreaded backfire. You'll probably be able to trace this to something that's causing a rich air/fuel mixture.

In the past you might have zeroed in on a heavy carb float, but today think about faulty signals from coolant temp or O2 sensors. The catalytic converter may also be damaged.

Another possibility is a clogged monolithic converter blowing through. This will only occur once and will be accompanied by an amazing increase in power. If your car has air injection, perhaps the diverter valve is no longer diverting.

BOOM: A hollow, low-frequency sound/sensation, this makes you feel as if you're riding inside a metal drum and the atmospheric pressure is rapidly changing between positive and negative.

On rear wheel-drive cars, check out the driveshaft and its u-joints because if it's spinning out-of-true, it will cause waves that push up on the floor of your car.

BUZZ: An annoying "bzzzzzzzzz" sound, like a trapped insect, can usually be traced to unfortunate positioning of interior trim parts. Have somebody else drive while you press, pry and pound on every likely spot.

CHIRP: This sounds like birds are nesting under your hood. You can probably blame a maladjusted or misaligned belt, but don't ignore the idler pulley. Or, it could just be your tires when you hit second gear.

CLANG or CLANK: This sound couldn't possibly be emitted by any light, flimsy parts. It's coming from a heavy, essential component, such as a set of gears. A good example is the sound a bad rear axle pinion bearing makes when you drop the transmission into Drive, then Reverse.

CLICK or CLACK: This sounds like 007 working the slide of his Beretta automatic. When in an engine, it's typically repeated rhythmically.

With OHV, perhaps a stuck lifter is allowing clearance in the pushrod/rocker valve, or maybe a solid lifter is just out of adjustment. On carbureted cars, check out the fuel pump before you start opening up the motor.

When emanating from the nether regions of the front end during a turn, this sound may be traced to an outboard CV joint.

CLUNK: A heavy bumping sound, softer than a clang, usually indicates you should look at suspension bushings, including shock or strut mounts. Or how about a loose strut gland nut?

FLAPPING: If it's not due to a colony of bats under the hood, maybe a belt's coming apart. Fan interference is another possibility. Regardless, this is a visual inspection sort of thing.

GRINDING: A horrible, torturous sound, like a bad dentist would make while working with obsolete equipment, means something's going awry - and fast.

If it occurs when the brakes are applied, either the linings are gone or you've got one of those unpleasantly-aggressive friction material formulas that tend to eat rotors.

GROAN: Something's dry, probably a suspension component. If it's metal, it's going to break really soon. If it's rubber, try some silicone lube.

GRUNT: Again, a dry joint somewhere in the underpinnings is likely. If it's in the stoppers, suspect rear drum shoes contaminated with brake fluid or gear lube from a defunct axle seal.

HISS: If it's continuous and changes with rpms, it may be normal belt noise. Otherwise, a slow leak in the cooling system is likely. A black light will help you find this.

HUM: We don't mean what the radio does between stations, but the noise a differential or wheel bearing makes. If it responds to acceleration/deceleration, suspect the differential. Then look into the bearings. Unfortunately, it's often very difficult to tell which side (or even which end) the hum's coming from.

KNOCK: Like knuckles on a wooden door, this sound is deep and hollow. Often it's a warning that something important (and expensive) is about to let go.

It's unfortunate that a loose pin sounds pretty much the same as a defunct rod bearing, but with a little patience you should be able to determine what's at fault.

First, check idle oil pressure even if you have to screw in a mechanical gauge. If it's low, you can bias your decision toward bearings.

Next, listen with your stethoscope. A rod bearing makes more noise at the oil pan than elsewhere, and a wrist pin more racket up on the water jacket. Hold RPMs at 2500, jerk the throttle open and let it snap closed. This will accentuate rod knock, whereas pin noise won't change very much.

Now's the time to starting shorting out cylinders. A bad pin will quiet down, but a rod knock will double its cadence.

Finally, you can pull the pan for a visual inspection. If the bearings are good, you know you've got a pin problem.

PING: Sort of like little ball bearings being poured on a tin roof, this sound is detonation (aka spark knock) - a phenomenon in which the air/fuel charge explodes violently instead of burning smoothly.

There are many potential causes here from clogged EGR passages and overheating to excessive spark advance and, with spark knock suppression, a defunct detonation sensor. Hook up your timing light then tap on the engine near the sensor to see if the spark retards.

POP: This sounds like a shotgun being fired through a mattress. It usually means the engine's coughing back through the intake.

A sticking or leaking valve is a distinct possibility, as is jumped valve timing, particularly with a belt-driven OHC.

Then there's ignition, which may be firing way too early due to a twisted distributor, cap/rotor/wire problems, a faulty position sensor or a breakdown in the module.

Also, if your car's running quite lean, opening the throttle to lots of cold air can induce this reaction.

RATTLE: They didn't coin the term "rattle trap" for nothing, you know. People have been fighting this annoying noise since the automobile was invented.

Thanks to plastics, better rubbers and more highly engineered fasteners, rattles are less prevalent than they once were. But you'll still get them, usually in the undercarriage somewhere. Likely culprits include exhaust system parts, calipers or loose brake pads.

ROAR: If it's not something obvious like a blown exhaust system, maybe the transmission is never shifting into high or overdrive.

With a manual transmission, the clutch might be slipping. Fan clutches usually fail by never engaging, not the opposite, but it's still a possibility.

If it's general road noise, you could switch to less aggressive tires or add undercoating to your car.

RUMBLE: While a pleasant enough throaty sound when it's from a free-flowing exhaust system, it can easily cross over into the unacceptable sound range. But don't choke the power down with an overly restrictive cheap muffler. For tire and road noise, see "ROAR".

SCRAPING: Something like "jeet-jeet-jeet-jeet" that speeds up as the car gathers speed probably means an object of one sort or another is contacting the driveshaft, possibly an exhaust shield or hanger or the parking brake cable. Your brake system, especially drum hardware, is also a distinct possibility.

SCREECH: "SQUEAL" taken to the max. See "SQUEAL".

SIZZLING: Like the sound of bacon frying, this is usually only audible with the engine off. Oil may be leaking onto the exhaust manifold or a minor coolant seepage may be occurring.

SQUEAL: This sound is usually related to brakes and belts. On the former, maybe you're down to the pad wear indicators. Or the discs and semi-metallic linings aren't getting along due to poor rotor finishing or washing, an assembly error, a troublesome friction formula or the like. Squealing is certainly common in disc brakes, but clunking can also occur on initial application if the shoes are loosely mounted.

In the case of belts, check if they are loose, worn or contaminated.

TAP: Much the same as a click, sort of like beating on the intake manifold with a screwdriver blade, this is usually valvetrain-related. Think about stuck lifters or an adjustment that provides too much lash.

WHINE: Not what an impatient 3-year old does but just as annoying. This is a hard one to pin down, but it's apt to come from worn ball or roller bearings, mismatched gears, too light a lube in a manual gearbox (ATF, maybe?) or alternator bushings getting ready to go.

WHIR: The sound made by happy mechanicals. It's one of the few noises you probably shouldn't worry about.

WHISTLE: Usually occurring at higher speeds, it's probably wind noise. But do double check if the latches and tumblehome are properly adjusted. Are the body gaskets in good shape?

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andym323 wrote:
GRINDING: A horrible, torturous sound, like a bad dentist would make while working with obsolete equipment, means something's going awry - and fast.
CLUNK: A heavy bumping sound, softer than a clang, usually indicates you should look at suspension bushings, including shock or strut mounts. Or how about a loose strut gland nut?
CLANG or CLANK: This sound couldn't possibly be emitted by any light, flimsy parts. It's coming from a heavy, essential component, such as a set of gears. A good example is the sound a bad rear axle pinion bearing makes when you drop the transmission into Drive, then Reverse.
SCRAPING: Something like "jeet-jeet-jeet-jeet" that speeds up as the car gathers speed probably means an object of one sort or another is contacting the driveshaft, possibly an exhaust shield or hanger or the parking brake cable. Your brake system, especially drum hardware, is also a distinct possibility.


This happens when your rear drums decide to demolish themselves. :wink:

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Hmmmm - where's the annoying noise that should be listed under 'W'


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Dude thats the easiest one to solve, buy her a...... :thumbleft:

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lmao hahahaha


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Got a proper good clanging, after further inspection found the exhaust moving sideways and bouncing off rear swing arm!

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hi guys, anyone can tell me how much will it costs if i replace this pipe shown as following. is it a big problem?

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beyondmy wrote:
hi guys, anyone can tell me how much will it costs if i replace this pipe shown as following. is it a big problem?

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http://yong-ma.magix.net/userwebsite;js ... t=15&pos=0


That be the EGR pipe dude ( Exhaust Gas Re-circulation ) - Mines not connected anymore after having a custom manifold fabricated / fitted. I know of at least one other member that hasn't got his connected either, so should be no worries!

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thats well interesting mate, gonna have a look at my misterious noises.


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richardesty wrote:
Hmmmm - where's the annoying noise that should be listed under 'W'


WIFE


doesnt that come under whine??? :scratch:


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hmm so if its a tapity noise, and you know you have an oil leak from the rocker gasket, top up oil and fix the gasket right?
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i have the whistle, started on the way to Newcastle at the weekend, can you tell me a bit more about latches and tumblehome
And yes stevo_b a wife does come under whine, that's the reason we didn't get to meet at the weekend


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CHIRP: This sounds like birds are nesting under your hood. You can probably blame a maladjusted or misaligned belt, but don't ignore the idler pulley. Or, it could just be your tires when you hit second gear.


Definitely got birds living under my bonnet at the moment. Had a cam belt service a couple of months ago and they chirp like crazy at around 2-3k revs. Had them re-adjusted on monday but they're still doing it a bit. Im thinking it could be the idler pulley then? Or is there a chance they could 'settle in' as they are still fairly new? Could someone advise on what I should be looking at doing?

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Hmmm, they probably need adhjusting if they're still doin it, easy on the PS belt, but a b*tch on the A belt :P

You MAY find tho, that an inept mechanic, has spilt oil or lub on one of the belts, you can solve that but dusting some talcum powder over the belt :D

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Cool, i'll try the talcum powder first (easy option lol) and see if it's that, and report back :D. I'll have a look after i've taken this front heatshield off, proving to be a b*tch - i hate 10 year old bolts!


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Hmmm, looks like they need adjusting again, seems to be coming from the belt furthest towards the back. Tried the talcum powder and no difference. I'm taking it in again on monday anyway, i'll just hammer them to adjust until it's right (and get it for free haha) ;)


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I'm getting the same noise Mas life :(
Could it not be the fan belt?
Or is it the timing belt or cambelt? I think their both the same thing lol :)


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Yeah i still have this noise - asked my garage to have a look but they said they can't find anything - typical :roll:

Does the whining/chirping mean that the belt needs tightening or loosening? I want to adjust it myself - can someone explain how to do this pretty please? :)


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Usually a tight cam belt will whine.
Probably the same for all the belts. :wink:


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I have the same problem mate, only does it when im driving out the street in second about 1500/2000 revs and i accelerate a little. Had my cambelt changed in august time i think it was.

Im gonna try the talcum powder trick as there was quite a bit of oil on my rocket cover! which i wasn't too impressed with. If that dont work, Do you think he has over tightened the belt?


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can anyone help me with a weird noice its coming from my steering straight lines are fine and turning is ok but as i come out o the turn it clicks and clacks like a little trooper one of my mates thought it might be th cv joints/stabelizer linkage i asked a mechanic how much to do the job he's asking bout 250 can anyone steer me in right direction


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hmm u sure your drop link hasnt snapped off? that could "clank" about. If its a knocking noise going round a corner then its guna be a cv joint. If its more of a grinding noise then id say the metal shield behind your brake discs is rubbing. Get it jacked up and have a better look

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I've recently noticed a light knocking type noise occasionaly when going around corners.....as far as I know it come form the front passenger side, and does it especially when going round a mini roundabout, so steering lightly right?

Could this be the CV joint.....it may be my CAF bashing on the undertray but I doubt it?


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sounds like cv joint. try driving slightly full left and right locks and see if it still happens.

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What about a PLUNK o PLINK noise. Sounds like someone firing a BB gun at a can, and can usually be heard when the engine is cooling. Although I hear it occasionally when I'm iddling in traffic.

I want to say it's something on the exhaust cooling, but I've not heard it this loudly and persistantly in previous cars.


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Mase wrote:
sounds like cv joint. try driving slightly full left and right locks and see if it still happens.


Cheers mase...didn't see your reply, will investigate it when I get a chance


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i have the chirp problem, i got my belts changed like in september, could it just be because of the cold or do they need chagning again already?


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I've got a clicking from my front end and it's not the engine, it gets faster when picking up speed and slower as I slow down , it's rather an annoying noise, I checked to see if my tires had picked up a small stone and it was that catching but can't find anything except some cracking on my tire walls :( I think it's from my passenger side front wheel.

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check the brake pad retaining clips/springs they sometimes move and touch the brake disc. cheers mick


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i've recently had the cv joins replaced on both sides because i thought the sound coming from the front right was being caused by them. But no that hasn't stopped it.
So i was wondering if someone could help here's the facts.
1. doesnt make any noise when travelling in a straight line
2. seems to happen when i turn the wheel left or right when turning slowly e.g parking.
3. more pronounced when turning the wheel when stationary.
4. once the wheel is at the chosen position and the wheels are in motion after a few secs the sound stops
5. its a clink clink sound.

thats about it. Any advise?? :(

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